In a House subcommittee hearing to discuss President Joe Biden and his administration’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) clashed, once again, with Dr. Anthony Fauci about COVID-19 restrictions.

“We had 15 days of ‘slow the spread’ turn into one year of lost liberty,” Jordan said to Fauci. “What metrics, what measures, what has to happen before Americans get more freedoms back?”

“You’re indicating liberty and freedom. I look at it as a public health measure to prevent people from dying and going to the hospital,” Fauci responded. “This will end, for sure, when we get the level of infection very low. It is now at such a high level, there is a threat again of major surges… You’re making this a personal thing and it isn’t.”

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Indignant, Jordan said back, “It’s not a personal thing.”

“Right now, we have about 60,000 infections a day, which is a very large risk for resurge. We’re not talking about liberties. We’re talking about a pandemic that has killed 560,000 Americans,” said Fauci. The disease expert later said that a rough estimate of when COVID-19 would constitute less of a threat would be when daily infections are “well below” 10,000.

Even though Jordan’s time was up, he continued to question the doctor until Rep. Maxine Waters (D-California) said, “You need to respect the chair and shut your mouth.”

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